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Simulating a solid cylinder with a transient displacement point source to get phase velocity from the dispersion curve

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Hello,

I have been trying to simulate a cylindrical model using structural mechanics(time dependent) with a transient displacement point source (0.00005*sin(2*3.14*3000*t)*e^(-((t-t0)^2)/(2*(sigma^2))) [gaussian pulse] in y direction. I have applied a low reflecting boundary condition at the ends of the cylinder. The time step for the simulation is 1e-6 and I have been using a 'finer' physics defined mesh.
radius=10mm
length=1500mm
I have multiple points(and not directly probes) added to the model which would act as sensors to measure the displacement in y direction.
With the data generated from the simulation when I plot the dispersion curve for the phase velocity vs the frequency, I get varying plots with the change in the location of the sensors.
Please let me know what am I missing while modelling, which is leading to such an erroneous results.

4 Replies Last Post Apr 17, 2015, 6:44 a.m. EDT
Sven Friedel COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 10 years ago Apr 13, 2015, 5:47 a.m. EDT
Can you provide your mph file?
Can you provide your mph file?

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Posted: 10 years ago Apr 13, 2015, 5:59 a.m. EDT
Please find the attached .mph file
Please find the attached .mph file


Sven Friedel COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 10 years ago Apr 15, 2015, 9:29 a.m. EDT
Dear Shreyansh Jain ,

first of all your model seems to lack a material, which would actually be essential to check if your settings for mesh and and time steps are reasonable. I have taken the freedom to set it to steel as a standard.
The main issue however is probably that you have set (or accepted the default) in the time-dependent solver: time-stepping = free. This would allow Comsol to set nuerical time steps as it wants (thereby oversampling your vibration) and returning only interpolated values. I recommend here "intermediate" (see the manual for the meaning).

An even better way would be to constrain the step size by tolerance criteria, depending on your expected results. This approach is illustrated in ch.comsol.com/model/bracket-transient-analysis-10314
specifically ch.comsol.com/model/download/198659/models.sme.bracket_transient.pdf

Note also that you may want to excite your part by a force rather than a prescribed displacement, because the latter actually puts constarints on the deformation even after the pulse hase decayed.

Please find attached a running model - if further discussion on the model is needed please create a regular support case here: ch.comsol.com/support

Best regards,

Sven
Dear Shreyansh Jain , first of all your model seems to lack a material, which would actually be essential to check if your settings for mesh and and time steps are reasonable. I have taken the freedom to set it to steel as a standard. The main issue however is probably that you have set (or accepted the default) in the time-dependent solver: time-stepping = free. This would allow Comsol to set nuerical time steps as it wants (thereby oversampling your vibration) and returning only interpolated values. I recommend here "intermediate" (see the manual for the meaning). An even better way would be to constrain the step size by tolerance criteria, depending on your expected results. This approach is illustrated in https://ch.comsol.com/model/bracket-transient-analysis-10314 specifically https://ch.comsol.com/model/download/198659/models.sme.bracket_transient.pdf Note also that you may want to excite your part by a force rather than a prescribed displacement, because the latter actually puts constarints on the deformation even after the pulse hase decayed. Please find attached a running model - if further discussion on the model is needed please create a regular support case here: https://ch.comsol.com/support Best regards, Sven


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Posted: 10 years ago Apr 17, 2015, 6:44 a.m. EDT
Dear Sven,

I have my time steps as 'strict' in my simulations, with Low reflecting boundary condition. Is it possible to get no reflections from the ends, since even with such a BC, the reflections that are there significantly changes the results.

I have attached my model for you to get a better understanding of what I am actually talking about. I have tried to simulate the model with a point load at the source.
Dear Sven, I have my time steps as 'strict' in my simulations, with Low reflecting boundary condition. Is it possible to get no reflections from the ends, since even with such a BC, the reflections that are there significantly changes the results. I have attached my model for you to get a better understanding of what I am actually talking about. I have tried to simulate the model with a point load at the source.

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